Mumbai: The power of movies on television, often referred to as “The Big Picture”, has impacted how we consume entertainment, making it an essential part of our lives. Not only that, the synergy of Movies and TV has also proven to be lucrative for brands who want to reach India at large and impact their daily lives. In a series of chats with marketers and media veterans, we discuss all things related marketing, media and especially movies. Indiantelevsion.com founder, chairman & editor-in-chief Anil Wanvari, discusses all things related to marketing, media and especially movies with Innocean Worldwide Communication Pvt Ltd executive VP B. Shridhar.
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On your early life, educational qualifications and extra curricular activities
I was born in Delhi in a Tamil Brahmin household and spent my whole life in Delhi. My parents always emphasized the need for education but I was little better than an average student. Sports were a big deal for me. It was an escape from Mathematics especially. I studied at the Kirori Mal College, Delhi University and did BA Honors in Geography with the objective of appearing for civil services. Few of my friends got involved in the bandwagon of MBA so I also followed them because I was told you would be needing Maths at a working level rather than a scientist level. I also went into doing an MBA in marketing. When I was growing up in the late 1980’s, it was a great period for Indian advertising. I got a sense of freedom while working in the industry rather than getting clogged in a corporate suit. That’s me in a nutshell and I can say that despite being raised with old school values, I would say that sports have been a big deal in my life.
On your journey and milestones
When I started my career in 1984, I actually wanted to be a part of Account Planning because Mr. Santosh Desai used to be a faculty. Once he called me in his office while he was in Mudra and he said we have an opening in Media Planning but I said I wanted to do Account Planning. He said that taking Account Planning in the initial year is about going and doing research left, right, center. He reckoned that I will do better in media planning. So at the end of the day, I thought about doing some planning and I got pretty latched on to it, starting my career in Mudra. I used to mainly work on Nestle. I carried on and moved to McCann for a while. Then again I came back to do a second stint with Mudra and used to work mainly for Samsung. I was very happy that I was part of a company that was launching product after product every half year.
After a second stint with Mudra, I got an opportunity to work in Ogilvy. I used to have similarities in the work culture and the environment as such. The whole thing which I started of in my career as a lifestyle that the advertising professionals lead and I thought that would go to the next level. At Ogilvy, I used to work at Electroluxx and Dabur. GroupM came into India and the media divisions of Ogilvy contract, HTA etc got merged into the entity of GroupM. I also worked with Initiative Media where I used to work for many brands of ITC. 2006 is when I joined Innocean and worked in 2 parts. It was Hyundai’s group company. I used to drive the media functions for Hyundai Motors. I worked till 2015 for my first avatar in Innocean and then I went away for one and a half years where I was driving the strategy & insight lead for Initiative Media. Towards the end of 2017, I returned to Innocean this time to head the media function for KIA Motors. KIA Motors was just about to come in India, and they ultimately rolled out their first car in the middle of 2019 but all the proprietary work including building of the launch and corporate campaigns, I was like part of minus two years of KIA in India and it’s been a great journey.
On work life balance and initiatives which you are proud of
I had a good work life balance working at Innocean and it depends on how you understand the needs of clients so somebody is more strategy oriented and someone is more proactive or a good organiser, a good manager. The point is strategy is something we would tend to do together but depending on the domain of expertise. The other thing is that both Hyundai and Kia Motors need the efficiency and executional brilliance because at the end of the day proof of the pudding is being able to serve your audiences in their way. I would say stuff that works in the marketplace and not necessarily with the jury of XYZ awards. I am absolutely proud to say that I worked on many of the Santro campaigns and launches. Going forward from there, they also launched many products which worked well with the audience in terms of creating positive brand disposition towards the products of Kia. Point is like doing things efficiently that’s the way it has been for both Kia and Hyundai.
On initiatives which you are proud of
This is going back to 2007 and when IPL was going to start in 2008. At that time, people really didn’t think the IPL was going to be glorified domestically. I am very happy to say that I could get a sense of what this is because I had an interest in football and watching the English Premier League etc. I thought that this was something to be in that zone. I was able to recommend that to folks at Hyundai to buy into it and really walk into the hearts of Indian audiences because in India there’s cricket and there’s Bollywood. I am happy that I could push this through and get them to invest in the IPL. I felt that nobody knew how to price this at that time because nobody has sense of what it could turn out to be. We also took it to the next level in terms of associating with ICC. Hyundai was a partner with the ICC for a good five years starting with the 2011 World Cup which after the rest of the 4 years it went into global association. If you could go back to the time when Dhoni had hit that six to win the World Cup, as the ball goes to the stadium, just at the nick of time, you can see a digital poll which pops up Hyundai. These are a couple of things which I have been part of. Going forward from there working on Kia which came as a late entrant when the market was very mature with big players in the market, a way dominant. Here comes a challenge for the brand. The thing that they backed themselves was the product quality and design as the big deal and turned it around into business success. I have been a part of each and every thing of Kia since they came into India to roll out their first car. So we are happy the way Kia has been accepted in India for all their cars. I am glad that I am gonna continue the journey with Kia even for the next few years.
On marketeers leveraging the box office success movies like Pathaan, Gadar 2 etc and strategies they can use for the growth of their brands
Integration into content is the most important thing. Because you can do stuff over the promotion but being actually part of a movie and building synergy with the brand’s proposition and the movie’s plot. I dont watch many movies, but I remember one movie very vividly called ‘Road’. The car was such an integral part of the movie it seemed like a subject in itself. Therefore to be able to integrate meaningfully with the movie and it’s not so much about the screen time, it’s about the synergy. Then it’s about magnification of collaboration by way of promoting it together. To create a lot of shoulder content to it and create anticipation both for the show as well as the brand and depending on the life stage of the brand whether it’s gonna be a tease for the audience or showcase what a product can do. Those things can come alive with a lot of shoulder content that can happen around it. Secondly, creating a ripple effect to content like post production, audience engagement. These are the buzzwords for leveraging a movie.
On co-branding on promotional outlets whether its in retail outlet or digital-outdoor
If you can do this exclusively, that’s the best thing. You can possibly take it into the realms of AFP (Advertiser Funded Programs). If not, there has to be some kind of synergy between the brands also wherein you are pulling in together. For example Coke and Adidas have better synergies and Pepsi and Nike have better synergies rather than vice-versa. So even if there are other brands coming into picture, we have to see whether they compliment each other or crossover with each other. Exclusivity is best but if not synergy is important in any case.
Between Hyundai and Kia, Hyundai is a little bit formal, more reaching out to the demographic kind of audience, not going on the edge kind of brand. Similarly Kia, being a late entrant, being salient is more important so therefore going more to the edge and kind of collaborating with people who personify the identity of Kia. I would define Hyundai as more functional plus lifestyle, Kia is more attitude. Kia could host Elon Musk and Hyundai could host Mr. Tim Cook better if we put it that way.
On TV and OTT aggregating large audiences and brands leveraging big titles coming on TV.
Being able to be there as a presenting partner or co-presenting partner and therefore using the brands own assets and creating a post production content piece and thereby engaging with the contest and gamification can work well. In any case they would get eyeballs because people definitely value a content that is two months old after theatrical release and doing well in the theaters. As I said, presenting partnerships, being a part of backend part stories, doing joint production. That can be a good way of leveraging WTPs.
On strategy for movie genres and your ideal winning mix.
You will have a scenario as in your max investment goes into the hero movie of the month, but you can also have a sprinkling of surround inventory to that movie and catch audiences also and in any case even if you didn’t want to invest more on hero movie, you will get peripheral content also, therefore you will have presence in ROS so far which is fine ultimately when you do post campaign analysis of any metric of ROI, Hindi movies tend to do very well and besides only focusing on hero content, if you take a package, it becomes much more efficient and greater amount of GRPs on any metric. In a nutshell, I would say diversify the mix.
On TV playing important role in building brand awareness
Awareness is one point related to the mind metric to an audience. It’s not important that you know me or I know you but how well do I know you or how well do you know me that matters. Which means to say that awareness is one thing but do you build trust? Do you build confidence? Good amount of research has shown offline media, linear TV, newspapers, radio have greater trust and credibility than that in the digital space. Having said that, TV brings a lot of things other than basic awareness. It is trustworthy and credible. Therefore you will have a scenario of an influencer and the consumer of the product are all consuming the content at the same time. TV goes beyond the space of credibility and those kinds of mind metrics. Research has actually proven that it works very well from a brand’s lifecycle perspective also. Within the offline media space, TV was always a big thing. It is even bigger now. I would say generally even from my own practice, TV does continue to have its own importance and it’s not going anywhere.
