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Sir John Hegarty stands tall in whatever he does. Starting Bartle Bogle Hegarty (BBH), of which he is chairman & worldwide creative director, four years into the run the agency was voted Campaign magazine’s Agency of the Year in 1986. Awards galore have seen been following the man who launched the famous Levis “Live Unbuttoned” campaign. In 2007, Hegarty received a knighthood in the Queen’s birthday honours for services to advertising.
At Goafest 2009, Hegarty explained why recession is the best time to be in advertising as it induces innovation and makes change acceptable.
In an interview with Indiantelevision.com’s Tarachand Wanvari, Hegarty talks about the current status of the advertising industry, the need to address the digital medium and the fantastic future of television as people can now watch it from anywhere.
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Audio visual is one of the best forms of communication. What do you think is going to happen next – television episodes, internet access, voice communications on the mobile or a hand held device? Are we ready with the content? |
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People are talking of mobisodes for TV consumption on mobile devices, because one can’t capture facial expressions and fine details on the small screen. Do you think that there is an opportunity to create more mobile-centric television content with which agencies could weave in their ad strategies? |
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Where do you think the industry is headed here in India? I mean during one of panel discussions we had people saying that there is no recession in the industry, despite the fall in ad agencies revenue. Do you think that the industry needs a bigger shock to awaken and realise that they are going down economically? |
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Digital has one of the best ways to measure the success of any campaign. For television advertisements, even today people depend on Tam’s peoplemeters which can never give a true reach picture. Yet, marketers are allocating a major chunk of their budgets for conventional media, rather than digital media. |
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‘We will build on our global franchises and get other local content to create an environment for ratings’ : Antoine Villeneuve- Walt Disney TV International (India) SVP & MD
The Walt Disney Company acquired Hungama TV in 2006 for $30.5 million, a sign that two of its global channels needed a local muscle to fight the might of Turner International in the kids TV turf in India.
The Cartoon Network-Pogo duo still lead the space as the mouse house is busy finding the right content mix for its three channels. Disney Channel is positioned as a kids-driven family channel while Hungama TV is eyeing kids in the 4-14 years age group. Jetix is for the 6-10-year-old boys.
The challenge for Disney is not just to gain more audiences but also to drive up revenues in a genre that is seeing slow growth.
In an interview with Indiantelevision.com’s Anindita Sarkar, Walt Disney Television International (India) senior vice president and managing director Antoine Villeneuve talks about the need to build on Disney’s global franchises while filling in the other pieces of content without disturbing the brand values.
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Disney Channel has failed to make a mark in India, as is evident from the ratings. What are the corrective steps you are taking?
Our task is to build on our global franchises and get other local content to create an environment for ratings. But all this has to fit into the ‘Disney’ brand values.Being a kids-driven family channel, we have had to add other pieces of content. For the first time ever, we have moved ahead to acquire Bollywood content to draw in more eyeballs. We have bought two Aamir Khan movies, Hum Hai Rahi Pyaar Ke and Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander, which will be showcased on 12 April and 3 May.
The core focus of the channel, however, is the tween segment (8-12 age group) and to increase penetration we have made the channel available in Hindi as well. We are building all the necessary bricks, but staying within the essence of the brand and the positioning of the channel.
Which are the franchises you are maximising your investments on?
Hanna Montana is appearing as a marketing phenomenon in India. She is on the path of a big success and we are taking her to the next level. We are increasing the ‘touch points’ with her so that kids can get more engaged. She appears in season 3 on 10 April and we are organising the ‘Big Pop Star’ event in India wherein the winning star will get a chance to meet Hanna. We also have a few more on ground marketing plans for Hanna to bring the character closer to the Indian kids.The Hanna Montana movie releases in May which is sure to have a great impact on building the brand value of this franchise in India.
The other big property we are building is High School Musical. We are giving it a bigger dimension as season 4 kicks off soon.
Why are ratings coming only from the locally acquired live action content?
There has been an effect on ratings, but when it comes to a brand connect with the kids it is with our franchise properties. The best example of this is Hanna Montana. Our endeavour is to build a localised experience through Hanna Montana and our other properties. We have succeeded in this.How have you positioned Hungama TV after acquiring it from UTV?
The three channels that we have are positioned separately and do not cannibalise audiences from each other. Hungama TV is transmitted only in Hindi and is positioned as a mad-comedy and fun channel devoted to the 4-14-year-olds. Also, its content is mainly driven by Japanese animation.The channel has slipped from its top position. How do you plan to revamp it?
We are creating three new bands from 13 April. We have acquired two live action shows, Hatim from Star and Dharam Veer from NDTV Imagine. We will be introducing them under the action band, Dum Powder.The Trouble Soda band will feature shows such as Doraemon and Ninjaboy Rantaro while Fun Gas will showcase Shinchan and Asari Chan.
Hungama TV will have all new shows this summer and the three bands will play on the theme ‘Mad fun with Adventure.’ We will also launch the mega summer contest – the Indian Pyjama League – on the channel, starting 11 May.
On the movie front, we will be showing titles such as Andaz Apna Apna and Fantiastic 4 this summer.
‘kids GRPs are undervalued in other markets as well. More marketing solutions have to be offered and advertisers have to realise the real worth of the kids segment‘Jetix has been more successful in the south. What are you doing to elevate its status in the north?
Of the two global channels, Jetix is a more defined channel as it has only action adventure content and is targeted at only boys between the age-group of 6-10. We have made it available in four languages – English, Hindi, Tamil and Telugu. We are happy that it is faring well in the south and have no plans to make special efforts to push it in the north as we have our other two channels to address the Hindi speaking markets.How do you plan to beef up your summer lineup this year?
Apart from showing Bolywood films, we will be exploiting our own classics from the Disney library. The channel will feature titles such as Return to Neverland, Atlantis: Milo’s return, Mulan, 101 Dalmations 2 and Secret of the Magic Gourd. All these will be featured on the Disney channel. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s chest will premiere for the first time in Hindi on 5 April.We will also be launching brand new shows on Disney such as Wizards of Waverly Place, Sony with a chance, Imagination Movers and Aaron Stone. Aaron Stone will launch on 15 May and will be the story of Aaron, a master in video gaming. Summers will also see the second season of Mickey Mouse Club House (MMCH).
For Jetix, we are launching the ‘Spectacular Superhero Summer Operation’. Under this brand, we will have all new superhero shows ( Zoran/ World of Quest/Ratman/ Power Rangers RPM).
We will also carry new episodes of Hero, Detective Conan and Inspector Gadgets. Furthermore, we will show various martial arts and action adventure movies such as George of the Jungle 2, Hulk and X men.
Why is the revenue from kids TV not proportionate to its audience share?
The kids GRPs are undervalued in other markets as well. More marketing solutions have to be offered and advertisers have to realise the real worth of the kids segment. In India this is evolving and we are already seeing new categories such as financial services, FMCG and digital stepping in as advertisers. -

‘We will get an opportunity to build our brand in the international arena of cricket’ : Amrit Mathur – GMR Sports CEO
The drama over, it is back to business. As the Indian Premier League (IPL) takes refuge in South Africa to play out its second edition, the team owners are readying their new plans to size up their revenues.
GMR Sports, the owner of Delhi Daredevils, is trying to figure out how to make up for the revenue loss from ticketing sales. The spotlight is on sponsorship revenues.
In an interview with Indiantelevision.com’s Anushree Bhattacharyya, GMR Sports CEO Amrit Mathur talks about the opportunity that South Africa throws up in establishing the Delhi team franchise as a brand in the international arena of cricket.
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GMR Sports was aiming at a 20 per cent revenue growth from sponsorship and ticketing. Now with IPL being shifted to South Africa, will that be achievable?
No, very unlikely. With ticketing revenues under pressure, it will be difficult to reach the target. Sponsorship will be the only avenue open for us to actually earn. Also, with the tournament moving out of the country, the business model in terms of cost and revenue sharing changes.How does the revenue pattern shift dramatically?
Till last year, IPL was a tournament organised by the eight franchises. Out of the total 59 matches, 56 matches were run by the franchises while IPL organised the two semi-finals and the final. But for this year, all the matches will be organised by IPL and the BCCI. So unlike last year where each franchise was clear about the cost model, (for example, the franchise knew it was to organise seven matches and could size up the costs of organising them), it is all uncertain now of how much we as franchises have to bear.We also don’t know how the revenue will be shared this time. Till last year, we knew that the central pool contributes revenues of about Rs 320 million. Now it is possible that the IPL may add the ticket revenue to the central pool to share it with the franchises. So the revenue from central pool might increase this time. It will, thus, depend on the revenue share model the IPL finally decides upon.
Which are the areas where you feel the costs will increase for the franchises?
Since the franchises have been told that it would be a centrally managed tournament, the IPL is expected to bear all the costs. But the main cost will depend on the financial structure of the facilities being made available – including the ground, the infrastructure, availability of ground for practice, etc. Now IPL will have to discuss these arrangements with the South Africa cricket board and figure out the expenses. As owners of teams, we have an idea of what the games would have cost in India. But we have no idea of what it would be like outside. The cost of travel and the hotels will be relatively minor.What if the IPL asks the franchises to bear a certain portion of the costs?
We will go by the consensus approach. We understand that it’s an extraordinary situation. So if there is a cost attached to the tournament, I am sure everybody will sit together and find out a way.On the sponsorship front, GMR Sports has roped in Coca-Cola, UB, Hero Honda, Religare, adidas and Kingfisher. What has been the progress on the two slots that are still lying vacant?
We are trying to close the last two sponsorship deals as soon as possible. However, the last couple of weeks had been uncertain and there were doubts about the tournament being played. Due to this, we had put on hold our talks with the sponsors. Now that the dates and venue have been announced, we are hoping that the interest for the property will revive.‘We are unlikely to reach our target of 20 per cent revenue growth this year. Ticketing revenues will be under pressure‘With the game shifting outside India, are sponsors looking at renegotiating their old deals?
No, not so far. We had signed sponsors for three years and there is further scope for extension. But at the same time, we are supposed to give them certain benefits. We are in constant negotiations with our sponsors and are open for any sort of dialogue.With the broadcast partner yet to be finalised, how much of damage will that do to the business?
The audience is not really bothered about who the broadcast partner is. The main concern is whether the tournament is on or out. Now that we all know that it is in, things would start moving again.Now that the IPL will be played in foreign land, does your marketing strategy go through a complete overhaul?
Well, it will change to a large extent. What we could do in terms of promoting our team in Delhi, we can definitely not carry out those activities outside India. So our marketing plans will change. We will now try to build our fan base even stronger with ticketing being handled by IPL. Moreover, we will promote our team through our media partners which include BigAdda.com, SMS GupShup, Hindustan Times, Times of India and CNN-IBN.Do you think the IPL will manage to gather enough loyalty in South Africa?
This year it is true that the character of the tournament has changed because it’s no more a domestic league. The nature of loyalty will change. For example, Delhi Daredevils will miss its loyal Delhi fans. The team will play in venues like Durham or Johannesburg which might see an inflow of neutral crowd only interested in cricket as a sport. But then this is only for this year, as the schedule clashed with the Lok Sabha polls.What would have been a better decision – no IPL or IPL in South Africa?
The most important thing is to have the IPL running. About hosting it in South Africa, the benefit is that the tournament and teams will get an international exposure. As team owners, we would get an opportunity to build our brand in the international arena of cricket. -

‘Sponsorship rates have reduced by 20 per cent’ : Mohit Burman – Kings XI Punjab co-owner
Kings XI Punjab, the Mohali team for Indian Premier League (IPL), was bought for $76 million by Bombay Dyeing deputy MD Ness Wadia, actress Preity Zinta, Dabur India director Mohit Burman and Apeejay Surrendra Group chairman Karan Paul.
The four shareholders together formed KPH Dream Cricket Private Limited, the holding company of Kings XI Punjab.
Kings XI Punjab is eyeing sponsorship revenues while cutting down on marketing expenses.
In an interview with Anushree Bhattacharyya, Burman talks about how the economic downturn is going to upset the revenue targets of the team franchisees.
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Since Kings XI Punjab did not go for three-year sponsorship deals, how difficult has it been to retain them for the second IPL edition?
Spice Telecom is very much on board as our title sponsor. We are in the final stage of negotiations with Coca-Cola as our pouring partner. Kotak, Provogue and 9X, however, are not there this time.As for new deals this year, we have signed up with United Spirits while Reebok is our apparel sponsor. We will be closing two more deals in the next four to five days. Overall, we are looking at signing eight to nine sponsors this year.
Has the downturn in the economy forced sponsorship rates to fall?
The whole world has changed and overall sponsorship rates have reduced by 20 per cent. We thought we were better off than those team franchisees who had gone in for three-year sponsorship deals. We felt we would be able to command higher sponsorship rates after the build-up from the first IPL tournament. But amid the economic downturn, the teams who signed three-year deals seem to be the smarter ones.Does this mean that the revenue targets have gone awry?
Since the tournament went off on a high note last year, we were under the impression that we would break even this year. However, looking at the present situation, I don’t think that franchisees will be able to break even before 2012. Most franchisees will not be able to make a profit this year, although the tournament will continue to be a success.The fact that the IPL is held after a long gap doesn’t help matters. Globally, leagues are played for eight to nine months with a short break, providing sponsors a continuous flow of events.
Where do you see most of your revenues coming from?
We hope to make more from our sponsorships, ticket sales and merchandising. This should account for over 60 per cent of our total revenues this year, unlike in the inaugural edition where the maximum came from the central pool. We also hope to get our act right on the ticketing sales front this year.Do you plan to decrease the ticket prices to pack more audiences into the stadium?
We already have a pricing strategy. The ticket prices range between Rs 150 to Rs 6000, addressing different segments of audiences. But this year we are going to be very strict in terms of ensuring that people who wish to watch the matches do pay for the tickets.Have you lined up your licensing and merchandising strategies?
For apparel licensing, we have already tied up with Reebok. We will be soon announcing our partner for making accessories like key chain, mugs, etc.Have you trimmed your marketing expense this year?
We are bringing down our marketing cost to Rs 35 million, from Rs 50 million last year. The initial costs in building up a brand are obviously higher. For example, we made a video with Daler Mehndi last year – and that obviously increased our marketing budget. We don’t see such a requirement for making another video this year.‘Since the tournament went off on a high note last year, we were under the impression that we would break even this year. However, looking at the present situation, I don’t think that franchisees will be able to break even before 2012‘What role will Preity Zinta play to promote the franchisee this year?
We have already started our marketing initiatives through the King XI Punjab Cup. We had also sponsored the Manali winter festival in Punjab. This year we will be concentrating more on ground level activities in our catchment areas.Preity Zinta is one of the owners and she is welcome to play whatever role she desires. She has already contributed a lot last year and as the tournament gets closer, I am sure she will help us in our marketing activities.
What was the idea behind organising the Kings XI Punjab Cup?
The idea is to reach out to the people of our catchment areas which include Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Jammu and Kashmir, etc. At the same time, we want to promote the game of cricket at the grass root level. Since we have a coach and some of the best players from the world, we want to nurture young talent.A few franchises have partnered with TV channels in search of cheer leaders. What are your plans?
We have got plans, but at this moment we are really concentrating on ground activities. Our idea is that instead of doing national hoity-toity shows on TV, we should concentrate on building the brand in our own locality. We believe that if we really want to make our franchise work, then we need to get closer to our fans and get them more involved with the team.Are you looking at beginning a cricket academy as Ness Wadia said that the franchisee job is to acquire and groom new players?
We are setting up an academy and for that we have already got an academy coach. We should be able to roll out the academy a few weeks before the tournament.Will Brett Lee’s injury affect your team’s performance?
I believe Lee will be fit to play for the tournament. We have, however, crafted a team keeping in mind the fact that Lee may not be able to play. Which is why we added West Indian pacer Jerome Taylor and Ravi Bopara.You got England’s Ravi Bopara for $450,000, three times his starting price of $150,000. Would you call this an intelligent investment, looking at the present market scenario?
Kolkata Knight Riders bought Mortaza at a very high rate. So was that an intelligent investment? Every team has to decide on their player investments, keeping many things in mind. While it is true that Bopara was expensive, it is a fact that we needed an all-rounder. And there were two other franchisees who were bidding for him. I believe Bopara would have gone for higher if other franchisees had not run out of money.With the dates of the Lok Sabha polls coinciding with some of the IPL matches, how would franchisees be impacted if venues were changed?
The IPL committee had asked the franchisees to create a back-up plan. Franchisees have an option to play in one or two grounds in the nearby areas. Rescheduling, thus, will not affect the plans of the franchisees. -

‘Our focus in 2009 will be to maintain profitability and not get into adventurous ventures’ : Bharat Ranga – Zee Entertainment Enterprises Ltd. COO international operations
A sliding global economy has turned up the heat on the international businesses of the Hindi content broadcasters.
In 2008, Zee group stretched its wings in Russia while deepening its presence through the launch of Veria (the natural wellness channel is part of the Essel Group initiative) and Aflam (a Hindi movie channel with subtitles in Arabic) in the US and the Middle East respectively. Riding on a bull market, the group also launched a radio business in the UK.
The 2009 landscape will be far different, more punitive, and starkly grim. Delinquent ventures will be avoided and risky bets put on hold.
Zee Sports, thus, will not travel to other countries as the RoI (return on investments) just does not work out. In the US, it was launched as Zee Sports America because a partnership was hatched with EchoStar.
Zee Entertainment Enterprises Ltd (Zeel) will make efforts to guard turf in its two main markets – UK and the US – which make up 70 per cent of its total international revenues.
With around one-fourth of its revenues coming from its international business, Zeel’s drive will be to maximise revenue opportunities from each market.
In an interview with Indiantelevision.com’s Sibabrata Das, Zeel COO international operations Bharat Ranga talks about the need to value content appropriately, keep away from reckless expansion, and be tough on costs.
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Zee took several initatives to expand its global presence in 2008 like tapping the Russian market and launching channels in the Middle East and the US. Will the global downturn force a more conservative strategy in 2009?
Our focus in 2009 will be to maintain our profitability and not get into adventurous ventures. In these uncertain times, it is important to maintain stability. It is better to hold on to your growth plans than to expand recklessly in this market. We will have to be tough on our costs without compromising the value of our product.Will there be a drive to take Zee Sports to other markets after launching the sports channel in the US?
We launched Zee Sports in the US in partnership with EchoStar. We work along with EchoStar on that brand. For launching in other markets, we feel that the RoI (return on investments) is not there at this stage.Will there be more subscriber churn and slowdown in Zee’s two main international markets, UK and the US?
The global economic turmoil is bound to have an impact on these two markets, which make up around 70 per cent of Zee’s total international revenues. But growth in the US will be faster than in UK.‘Zee treats its international biz as a SBU. The irony is that the South Asian players have not valued their content appropriately. Hence, the revenue potential remains untapped‘Why?
UK is a tougher market because not all South Asian content is pay. This is not the case in the US. We, however, are pay in the UK and have five channels in that market – Zee TV, Zee Cinema, Alpha ETC Punjabi, Zee Gujarati and Zee Muzic. We have a subscriber base of 200,000, but it is growing slower. The yield, however, is higher and we are priced at 13 pounds a month for two channels. For each additional channel, we charge 5 pounds a month.Have you priced yourself lower in the US?
No. But unlike UK, we are not retailing ourselves. We are part of EchoStar and other cable companies like Comcast and Time Warner. We enjoy a revenue share with them.One of our group initiatives to expand in that market was the launch of Veria, a natural wellness channel, last year. It is a very premium and growing segment and we are bullish about the channel’s growth. We do not have Zee Muzic in that market. Our subscriber base in Americas is close to a million.
How far has Zee progressed in cracking the Chinese wall?
We have applied for landing rights and are waiting for approval for over a year. We hope to get the permission soon. China is a very complicated market to crack and it is important to have a very clear business model in place. Many international media companies have invested billions of dollars in that market, but not gained much. We have taken a cautious approach and, meanwhile, have started a syndication buiness there. Foreign content syndication itself is tough as there are more rules stating why not to buy such content than why there is need for it. For us at Zee, China remains a romantic thought at this stage.Even Russia is considered to be a very difficult market, as Disney found out recently when it did not get the nod for taking a 49 per cent stake in a joint venture with local firm Media-One Holdings. What has been your experience so far?
Russia is a cheap pay TV and advertising market. We launched Zee Russia last year, but the channel hasn’t taken off the way we expected. It is a pay channel with Indian content dubbed in Russian. We are at a nascent stage but, like China, it is an initiative for the future.‘We launched Zee Sports in the US in partnership with EchoStar. For launching in other markets, we feel that the RoI is not there at this stage‘Zee had to rework on its strategy in the Middle East and shut down Zee Arabia. Why?
We saw an opportunity for offering our content to local audiences in the Middle East. We tasted the water with Zee Arabia launch and learnt the nuances of the mainstream market. We replaced it with Zee Aflam, a free-to-air Hindi movie channel with Arabic subtitles, last year. Our Hindi offerings – Zee TV, Zee Cinema, and a hybrid channel of Zee News and Zee Gujarati – are, however, pay in that market.Since Zee Gujarati is wrapping up after 30 April, will that offering end in the international market as well?
We have not decided if we will do away with that offering for our international audiences. We have standalone Gujarati audiences. We may have a repurposed channel by sewing up content from others. That business decision is yet to be taken.The rates of the Zee channels have stayed flat in UK at least. Has Zee lost pricing power in the international markets?
There is room for hiking subscription and advertising rates, but it is not easy in this market condition. Besides, competitors have to work together for growing the size of the market.Which means that the revenue potential is still untapped?
There are 35 million Indians residing outside India. There are also South Asians who consume Indian entertainment content. This throws up a nice business proposition. Zee is the dominant international player, with over 50 per cent market share. We reach out to 167 countries, have 200 people spread across 16 offices, and treat it as a strategic business unit (SBU). The irony of the international business is that the South Asian players have not valued their content appropriately. Hence, the revenue potential remains untapped.What is it that Zee has done right in the global arena?
We learnt from our Indian market experiences and priced ourselves appropriately in the developed markets. -

‘With the launch of the kids channel, we are ready to scale up the verticals’ : Rajiv Sangari- Spacetoon India MD & CEO
It has been a long wait outside the ring. After building up verticals in the licensing, publishing and merchandising space, Spacetoon has launched its kids channel to combat against multinationals like Turner, Walt Disney and Viacom in the tough Indian market.
A licensing and merchandising deal with Emerging Media, owner of the IPL winning team Rajasthan Royals, has put the company on a totally different pedestal. Talks are also on with a few other sporting goliaths to expand the L&M portfolio.
Spacetoon Kids TV, however, will evolve as the prime property and will guzzle over 50 per cent of the company’s Rs 1 billion investment plan.
In India, the group has floated Kids Media India (KMI), a company that will take care of the TV and licensing business. Kids Animation India is the other arm that will look after the publishing activities.
The shareholding has also been restructured with Japanese firm Animation International holding 51 per cent stake in KMI. Dubai-based Spacetoon Media Group holds the remaining with a small stake as sweat equity resting with Spacetoon India managing director and CEO Rajiv Sangari.
In an interview with Indiantelevision.com’s Anindita Sarkar, Sangari talks about the company’s growth plans across the verticals.
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What took you so long to launch in India?
Since the germination of the idea way back in 2004-end, we have spent a long time testing the market. As the Indian economy and the TV industry went on a zoom and prices skyrocketed, we had to rethink our strategies as we were going to occupy a niche space. With distribution, marketing and all kinds of operational spends going beserk as Hindi general entertainment channels got launched, it would have made no business sense to launch a kids channel. Frankly, it would have been a business hara-kiri. Now the prices have corrected and things are much more in control. Despite an overall bleak scenario and a tough advertising market, launching at this moment definitely makes more business sense.The shareholding for the Indian venture has changed with Japanese firm Animation International (AI) holding 51% stake in Kids Media India. Was the delay partly caused by this?
Both Spacetoon and AI have relations since the last 25 years and they have been partnering and co-operating with each other on many businesses together. Hence, changing of the hands in shareholding doesn’t have much to do with any kind of interest level subsiding or increasing. It is a strategic move by both partners of re-strategising and restructuring their operations amongst themselves. Most of the East and South East Asian operations, for example, will be monitored by AI, while most of the Western Asian, European and Eastern European operations will come directly under Spacetoon. I would term this as strategic restructuring.Spacetoon was in talks with investors to raise money. Is that plan still on?
Spacetoon was in talks with a few players and we had already determined 3-4 of them at various stages of our discussions. But most of them wanted to basically take advantage of the position of our fund raising, rather than sharing our passion. Either they wanted majority stake or at some point they wanted us to exit. This did not go with our strategy for India.Though we realise that for taking our verticals to the next level we require some support, we are equipped as of now to handle it on our own. But if we get an extra push in terms of a partner who can value our strength, experience and hard work which has gone behind making the company and the brand what it is today, we will definitely look at the possibility. India’s economy and retail can only grow and we have 360 million kids. We require a partner who thinks and aligns with us for long term.
Did you first focus on developing the licensing, publishing and merchandising platform before stepping into the kids broadcasting space?
That is the business model Spacetoon has followed in other markets. We are doing the same thing here. For over a period of 3 years now, other than TV launch, we have successfully launched our licensing, publishing and merchandising divisions and are very soon launching our own IP programmes.We are glad that we did not divest then. We have done the tough job of laying out a platform for licensing and merchandising. After the launch of the kids channel, the time has come for us to scale up the verticals.
How much is Spacetoon investing in India?
We plan to invest Rs 1 billion over three years. Out of this, about 50 per cent upwards will be consumed by the TV operations.Why did KMI decide to launch a kids channel when the genre has actually shrunk a bit last year and the revenue size at Rs 150 crore is still too small to take in so many players?
We need to realise that kids business is not driven completely by TV broadcasting. Unlike general entertainment channels, ad revenue is important but not the only source of income in the kids genre. It’s always the ancillary units like merchandising, publishing, etc. which will help it take to the next level. And TV business is a long term game.‘Kids business is not driven completely by TV broadcasting. Ad revenue is important but not the only source of income in the kids genre. It’s always the ancillary units like merchandising and publishing which will help it take to the next level‘Earlier, Spacetoon Kids TV was looking at investing Rs 250 million for carriage in delivery platforms such as cable TV networks and DTH. However, that number has been scaled down. Why?
Haven’t others too? It’s simple, the market today doesn’t allow us or anyone to do so. I hear from some sources that most of the top to small TV channels have slashed down their distribution disbursements. And, especially in kids genre, you just can’t support such a large distribution budget.The channel is still not well distributed. How are you planning to tackle this and by when do we see it more visible?
Our focus is not only to tap the Tam cities but also other markets. As of today, our estimates are that we have penetrated over 10 million homes and we expect to do over 15 million by the middle of this year. By year-end, we should be touching 25 million homes. And, don’t forget, it’s only four weeks since we launched. We realise it will take minumum 3-4 months before we start getting visible across all markets.What are the distribution deals you with stitched with the MSOs and the DTH operators?
We are in talks with the direct-to-home operators. As far as cable goes, we are available in some Hathway Cable & Datacom networks. We have also signed up other cable operators, particularly for their digital viewers. Distribution is a gradual build-up.Spacetoon Kids TV will have to jostle with seven existing channels to tap into 360 million kids in India. How do you find space in this tough market?
Each one of us has a different style, programming methodologies, and formats. Our channel will be focusing a lot on moral and social values, packaged with lots of entertainment content.What is the different positioning you are taking?
Spacetoon will divide the day into 10 planets. Unlike running half-hour episodes back to back, we will be giving the kids a mix of several things. There will be fillers which are moral based, messages, ads, packaging, promos, etc. This will ensure a different look during the whole day.Do we also get to see localised content as part of the programming mix?
We definitely are looking towards creating localised programming very soon. This will be mostly live action-based programming. There are discussions going on with various producers to this effect.What are your other marketing plans and spends for the channel?
We will be creating a touch base by tapping thousands of schools in India. We realise that if we have to tap the minds of the kids, there is no better place than their learning ground – school. We are creating a very good value-based school-contact programme, a key area where most of our energy is going to be focused in the first year.We will also be having events from April onwards in high public areas like malls.
What is the revenue Spacetoon is projecting and how does it break up in terms of the channel and other verticals?
I would not want to put across numbers now. Nobody can predict the forthcoming financials in today’s market. But our major revenue driver will be merchandising, which is in full throttle. Following that are our publishing and licensing activities. As for TV revenue, we are expecting it to start from the later part of the year. It will take us some time to penetrate the market and grab space in the minds of the kids.What are your expansion plans in terms of licensing and merchandising?
We have tapped over 69 licensees in the last 14 months. These are translating into products that will get into the market during the course of this year. We already represent some top companies in the world for licensing and there are few more coming our way in the next few months to make our portfolio more robust and meaningful.We observed that our portfolio was tilted more towards the boy category. But now with Hello Kitty and Garfield coming our way, I think we have one of the best characters in the girls genre.
What are your plans with Rajasthan Royals?
We are in hot pursuit to come out with products before the first week of April when the IPL kicks off. We have already worked out our strategies to tap the right licensees who will be able to add value to this fantastic brand on the ground level through merchandising.We have a three-year deal with Emerging Media and are targeting Rs 200 million of retail business in the first year. Since the time is very short, we are channelising all our resources towards this.
We are also in discussions with few more goliaths from other sports, especially big international clubs. We hope to stitch deals with some of them soon.
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‘GEC space will see turmoil this year’ : Rohit Gupta – MSM president (network sales, licensing & telephony)
2 009 is expected to be a rough year for all in media. Television is no exception. With the stockmarket collapsing and balance sheets getting battered, advertisers have become cautious and the current quarter is expected to be extremely choppy. Multi Screen Media president (network sales, licensing & telephony) Rohit Gupta concedes that clients are consistently assessing the environment and signing quarterly deals as against the annual ones earlier. He, however, is confident that Sony Entertainment will ride through the stormy times on account of the strength of its network.
Indiantelevision.com’s Ashwin Pinto caught up with Gupta to find out about what lies ahead, the mood in the market, the importance of tentpole properties etc.
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How was 2008 for Sony in terms of revenues? What growth was managed over 2007?
It was a successful year for us. All our channels grew their revenue. Some by 25 per cent, others grew in the range of 10-15 per cent. The other success story was the IPL. We created benchmark rates for Indian cricket before the event had even started.This year is expected to be challenging with the recession. What impact will this have on Sony and the television industry?
As we move forward this year will present challenges. The key one is the meltdown. A client would cut marketing spends but television as a genre will still grow. We believe that television is the cheapest form of advertising in terms of the reach it delivers. TV gives you the best RoI and this is what clients focus on during a slowdown.Print and outdoor will take a larger hit but television will still grow. A recent report projected a 10 per cent growth which is fair. TV has been growing at 18 per cent over the last few years. While that will not happen this year, there will still be growth.
For the IPL what is the upside being looked at this time around?
We have established rates that are in line with what we had decided upon earlier. IPL will be a bigger property this year.Everybody including the franchisees have more time to prepare. Last time we just had 45 days to prepare. This year the hype will start after the auction ends. We will hold a meeting with the franchisees after 6 February to decide on the course of action to take. Also at the point of time there is no other major property on television.
So you are confident on the financial performance of Sony for the IPL despite the slowdown?
Yes! What happens during a slowdown is that the clients’ ability to take risks decreases. IPL is a proven property. There is no risk in being associated with it. People will put money on ‘sure’ properties. The IPL is one of them. Last time the IPL had an 80 per cent reach on Max.Have deals been closed?
Yes! However I cannot divulge any details. Some deals are for both the IPL and the New Zealand series that comes before it. We do not have category exclusivity this time around for spot buys.This allows us to access more brands. Last time the IPL was not tested. Exclusivity was an incentive that we had to concede. By not giving exclusivity we will ensure that multiple brands can co-exist.
But won’t it be a challenge to get many brands on-board in a difficult climate?
You have to understand that cricket’s cost rating per rating point (CPRPs) are still holding up. The reach of the channel is key. Max does not have this issue. So we are confident of getting the desired rates.I don’t think that the rates are a problem. The challenge will lie in the outlay that a client puts on IPL. So this time around we will have smaller packages. The number of clients taking spot buys will go up. One does not have to buy all 59 games. A company can buy for ten games at a stretch. There is flexibility.
Has the revenue split within the group changed over the last couple of years?
I cannot give any numbers. However our dependence on the large channels is not that high. AXN and Pix are growing substantially. Max is now a very big channel in our network.What is the clients mood like in general?
They are more cautious. They are adopting a quarter by quarter approach. They are not signing large deals for a year which used to be the case. For this quarter ending March, clients are being extra cautious. Companies want to show better results with this being the last quarter. So it will be tough.The key is to have tentpole properties that can be sold. You need to have a distinctive niche in the market. Clients want more accountability. As a broadcaster you need to be responsive and understand clients’ needs. You have to make sure that the client gets value back. Everything is not necessarily about a rate. The question lies in the effectiveness of the media buy.
Apart from IPL what are the other tentpole properties coming up for the group?
In March we are launching Operation Dikhla Jaye on Sony. This will be a directors cut where four of Bollywood’s top directors will produce shows for us. It will be a 13 week initiative and will be the first time that anybody has tried it in India. These are one hour shows. We have roped in directors like Madhur Bhandarkar, Mahesh Manjrekar, Vikram Bhatt. Then the IPL starts. Post that we will have re-launches of our big shows.In the GEC space are the new arrivals having any impact? Is the ad pie growing or merely getting sliced further?
There has been growth overall. But this year since growth will be restricted there will be some slicing of the pie. The GEC space will see turmoil this year. New players will come in and others will go away. GEC costs are huge and it is a question of who will survive. The like of Star, Sony, Zee will always be around come what may.New channels will come. They may be on top for a while but the fact is that nobody is on top all the time. Clients also look at networks as opposed to channels per se. They want networks which are strong enough to withstand pressure. They want networks that have the sustaining power to ride over the tough times. Besides that you need big properties which ensure that clients look at you differently.
Each of our channels is in the top four in their respective genre. Sab is number one in the second level GEC tier. Sony has managed to hold on to its share more or less. Other channels have experienced a bigger fall in the GEC space. We may not have many channels but what we have done is to focus on building them.
How has Sony built up its client relationship management efforts over the years?
Our focus has always been on giving value back to the client. We were the first to start a client servicing team four years ago. Then other channels started doing this. We work closely with brands to integrate them into our properties. This is how we add value that goes beyond just 10 second spots. Therefore even though there are days when ratings have not been what they should be the clients have supported us. The relationship with clients makes a big difference in terms of your ability to raise rates.Which categories will be affected in terms of TV advertising due to the slowdown?
If you look at it the categories most affected by the meltdown which are real estate and retail these are not big on television. Finance was not as big on television compared with other mediums. Auto companies are shifting budgets from print to television.Coming back to the cricket front the New Zealand tour is the first time that Sony will air bilateral cricket. How is this event being positioned for viewers and clients?
This is a full blown tour. India has not visited New Zealand since 2002. We lost very badly then and so this is a big challenge. There will be anticipation. In fact this is the Indian team’s biggest challenge after playing Australia twice recently.But isn’t the timing an issue as the telecast of the matches is very early in the morning?
The timings are good for the T20 Games which start at 11 in the morning. The ODIs start at around 6:30 in the morning. Test matches start earlier but they are not a big revenue contributor compared with the other two formats.How many sponsors are being looked at?
We have clients who are interested in both the New Zealand series and IPL. That would give them visibility from Feb till June. So we are doing special deals for them. Generally we look at six to eight sponsors.Are you also looking at doing long term deals with clients for IPL?
No! We believe that the IPL which is a big opportunity is better served through yearly deals. You have the option to re-look at things.IPL broadened the viewer base. Has the client base also grown for cricket as a result?
Yes! Godrej an FMCG company came on board. They do not associate themselves with cricket. Max New York Life came on board. It worked well for them. It was not the traditional clients that came on board. This year also you can expect to see some surprise companies coming on board. IPL after all changed the way TV viewership happens. It is not just the male TG that tunes in.Will the IPL be simulcast?
No! It will only be on Max. We did that with the Cricket World Cup in 2007 where some matches also aired on Sab. However viewership got disrupted and the channel loses share. Then it is difficult to get viewers back.When HBO left there was a gap created. Is Pix now starting to fill this gap?
Pix has made a lot of progress over the last couple of years. Pix started when there were already established players. Now it is competing. In some weeks it beats HBO. Advertisers have followed this. Pix is making investments in terms of acquisitions. The aim over the next couple of years is that in terms of ad revenues it can reach the level of HBO and Star Movies.It is pitched as a premium movie channel. It delivers in the 25+ SEC A, B category which is what a lot of marketers target. All the large brands are on it.
How come Pix decided to air soccer with the FA Cup?
The audience for it is similar. It is SEC A,B. We decided to offer viewers something new and extra. Matches air on the weekends and so the movie schedule is not disrupted.The other two major distribution bouquets have two English movie channels – a mass one and a niche one. Isn’t Sony at a disadvantage here with just one channel that does not have the latest offerings?
It does not affect the advertising side. Channels like MGM (which is in the Star Den bouquet) do not carry ads anyway and it is dependent more on a subscription kind of revenue stream.What is the roadmap forward for AXN?
AXN is doing well and has been growing at 25 per cent CAGR. You will continue to see local content. You will shortly see the AXN Action Awards. Each year you will have three shows produced in India.Does cost control become important in this environment though?
This is an area we always look at. It is something that we are always conscious of and it is not as if this area has suddenly assumed importance. For us it is business as usual. One has to see the returns more carefully though.On the licensing front how has business grown over the past year?
This was small four years back. However we participate more actively in trade fairs like Mipcom and we showcase more content in the form of formats there. Our shows are sold in European markets, the US. We took all our formats to Mipcom. along with other shows like Filmfare, Stardust Awards. The other aspect is the Hindi movie licensing business. We syndicate them wherever we have rights.Finally we are seeing channels advertise on rivals. What is Sony’s policy?
We do not advertise on competitors nor do we accept ads from them. We accept ads from kids channels, news channels as we do not operate in that space. But you will never see us air ads from a movie channel belonging to a rival network. We are not desperate for revenue. -

‘Scaling up through film acquisitions is a risky model’ : Mahesh Ramanathan- Big Pictures COO
Rock On! was only the beginning. After going on to create a new set of cult audience with their first co-production, Reliance ADAG's Big Pictures is bullish on its 18-movie slate for 2009.
On the distribution front, Big Pictures rode on the success of Ghajini at the fag end of 2008 to get a slice of the overseas business with Rs 390 million. The challenge this year is to step up the film production and distribution business.
In an interview with Indiantelevision.com's Anindita Sarkar & Gaurav Laghate, Big Pictures COO Mahesh Ramanathan talks about the company’s production plans and the revenue scope that the film business offers as different studios scale up.
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Big Pictures had made a grandiose announcement of producing 18 movies in 2009. But with the economy slowing down, is there a revised plan?
With the Indian film industry growing at a CAGR of 17 per cent, which is almost double the GDP growth rate, box office definitely remains unaffected. Though there is a slowdown in the economy, that definitely does not lead to any de-growth in demand. If the content remains right, there can't be any downturn in consumer sentiments when it comes to movies.Having the financial muscle of Reliance ADAG, why has Big Pictures gone in for six Bollywood co-productions out of this roster of 18?
Co-production deals for us actually bring in a perfect marriage between creativity and commercial acumen. While we bring in certain virtues like financing, marketing, promotion and distribution of content through our various platforms (online, home video, mobile, DTH), the director still calls the shots. However, he has to align his creativity with us to bring in the viability for the product for commercial exploitation.You will also be producing seven regional films this year. What kind of potential do you see in the regional film space?
The regional film space currently accounts for 50 per cent of the Indian film market and is growing. While there is a huge appetite for Bengali films, the Southern region is definitely a huge market to tap. Marathi film industry is also revamping. So the potential to commercially exploit these markets remains huge.Any plans of entering the Bhojpuri market?
We don't plan to step into the Bhojpuri market as of now as there are huge distribution challenges.Recently, we have seen a lot of small and mid budget films raking in good numbers at the box office which also includes your first Hindi production Rock On. Do you plan to create more small budget movies?
Our business model is not based on budgets. While we do have a few low budget films like Sikander and Chaloo lined up for 2009, we will begin the year with our big budget Luck By Chance. Budget is purely a derived figure based on the demands of the script. Our approach is more towards building a portfolio across a variety of genres that include small, medium and mid-budget movies.
'Our business model is not based on budgets. Our approach is more towards building a portfolio across a variety of genres that include small, medium and mid-budget movies'Year 2008 was a year of film acquisitions for some major studios. Why did you decide to stay away from it?
Scaling up through film acquisitions remains a very risky model. When you are acquiring a film, there is a lot of producer profit that is built in which jacks up the price. Our business model focuses on creating original content. Not only can you keep your costs low but also ensure that the viability of the film remains secured.If you are into acquiring of films, you are entitled to exploit the product only for a stipulated time period. This is not the same case with content creation. Original content helps you build your own catalogue and once the catalogue is built you can use it to create more revenue streams.
What role does marketing and promotion play in increasing a film's occupancy in theatres and multiplexes?
Huge! Take Ghajini for example. The pre-release marketing and promotional activities for the film induced extreme interests amongst audiences and as a result Ghajini witnessed almost 100 per cent occupancy in its first week at theatres. The marketing activities that we did across 40 territories overseas also helped us generate a lot of eyeballs. So marketing is definitely very important to tap the right audiences.How difficult is it to tap the right set of audiences?
Because of media fragmentation, it is becoming very difficult to reach the right set of audiences and engage them. Today, you cannot pin your hopes onto only the press and television. You have to have a 360 degree approach and mass customise your communication to audiences – and this is where we score. We have a presence across almost all media and entertainment platforms – be it radio, home video, online, mobile, social network etc. Thus, synergising all these platforms helps market and promote our films in a much focused way. It is also very cost effective.How do you strategise your film marketing activities in the international space?
Unlike India, it is more of micro-marketing in the overseas market where you target the diaspora. Hence, the choice of media vehicles is more local there. You have to be aware of the local newspapers and have to have a local expertise and channelise them smartly.Though in terms of value the Indian film industry is only 2 per cent of the entire global box office, it is generating interests across international studios. Why?
When it comes to the number of films produced in a year, we are definitely the largest in the world. India produces over 1000 films a year. We are also the largest box office in the world with 3.5 billion admissions a year. While Hindi films account for approximately Rs 50 billion, a similar amount is generated from regional movies. So it's definitely an attractive market for international studios that have long term plans in this country.When it comes to value, our box office stands at only 2 per cent of the global box office. But that is because our collections are still dependent a lot on single screens where ticket rates are really low. However, with the establishment of 3700-3800 multiplex screens in the next five years, we will see a lot of value being added to the box office.
How much of the revenue generation potential of a film is inflicted by piracy?
Between theatrical, home video and cable, it is estimated that the overall piracy eats away almost 80 per cent of the film's entire revenue potential. -

‘Media and entertainment sector has lost a whopping Rs 640 billion of market value since last year’ : Sadanand Shetty – Kotak Securities vice president
Media and entertainment companies have been riding the market boom to expand and fund their diversified ventures. But the tide has turned against them and they are faced with a scarce capital situation.
Being in the equitties market for over 14 years, Kotak Securities vice president Sadanand Shetty knows best how rough the path is going to be for media companies to tide over the slowdown phase. Managing money on behalf of investors, he is one of the few fund managers to have caught early the trends across verticals within the media and entertainment sector.
In an interview with Sibabrata Das, Shetty talks candidly about the massive erosion of values media companies have seen over the last one year and how grim the real world is for most of them.
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Aren’t these companies seeing a massive skid in valuations?
The media and entertainment sector has lost a whopping Rs 640 billion of market value since last year due to the global economic meltdown. There is a massive collateral damage to the wealth of media owners. Valuation corrections for most of these companies are far greater than the broad market.Most media companies fall under mid cap and small cap categories. These categories have lost much more in stock value than the large cap companies. September ’08 has been the worst quarter in recent times for most media companies that are part of the broad-based BSE 500 Indices. The profits of aggregate listed companies are down by 60 per cent for the said quarter, including losses of new Hindi GECs (general entertainment channels). Slowdown in revenue and rising costs have hit earnings.
The market has not even spared large companies like Zee Entertainment Enterprises Ltd and Sun TV Network Ltd; they together have lost market value of close to around Rs 160 billion (as of 10 January 2009 over the year ago period). The broadcasting space has alone lost market value of nearly Rs 280 billion. Economic slowdown in general has impacted the advertising revenues of the sector. Subscription revenues, to some extend, provide the much needed cushion to falling profitability of the broadcasting companies.
Why were media valuations so unrealistic?
Being emerging businesses, the Indian media and entertainment companies commanded higher valuations. Most media companies have demonstrated robust sales, expanding margins and rapid growth in profits in recent times. The stock market rewards high growth with high valuations. A favourable equity market has also helped companies to raise large funds and command these valuations.Weren’t companies stretching themselves too thin in a market hype situation?
Still, I wouldn’t call these moves as mistakes. Expansions were planned in a growth environment, which now, though, is hitting the speed breakers. But certainly in some cases large capacities have been created ahead of demand curve and investors are suffering in those ventures.The industry also witnessed entry of new players with other objectives. For some it was pure market capitalisation as easy money poured into the sector. Investors – foreign and local – have jumped the gun and funded some of the unviable projects. Shortsighted foray into ‘new media’ business verticals that some companies have ventured into will be hard hit.
What are the lessons to be learnt from this?
This is the first true slowdown that the industry is witnessing today. It would be interesting to see how managements of the media companies respond to the situation. In general, business plans built on easy liquidity do not sustain for long. Vision, commitment and excellent execution do. Media, like any other services business, is people driven. Backing the right talent with appropriate incentives will yield large gains.
‘Economic slowdown will force companies to focus on few verticals. They will have to maintain their market share without burning too much cash‘
Have media companies become dependent on foreign capital?
Global media companies except perhaps News Corp. were late to react to opportunities in India. But today almost all the top studios of the world have their presence in India across different media verticals. Favourable economic growth and rapid rise of domestic companies have compelled the global media giants to look at India. For some of these companies, Indian operations have started contributing majorly to their profits in the Asian region.We are also witnessing rapid rise in FDI (foreign direct investments) and portfolio investments in media companies. You, after all, can’t ignore the second fastest growing economy of the world. India is also in a sweet spot today because of its huge youth population.
What are the challenges the Indian media companies face due to slowdown?
Slowing ad spend, increase in operating costs (specially distribution), and tight liquidity will impact the industry in the medium term. The sector will also have to grapple with excess inventories that have been created in the last few years. Most importantly, economic slowdown will force companies to rethink on their expansion plans and focus on few verticals. Companies will have to maintain their market share without burning too much cash in the process.
The process of consolidation will also accelerate. I expect incumbents with sound financials to take advantage of the current dismal valuations to further their business interests. Venture capital and private equity participation can’t also be ruled out. We have already seen certain GECs feel the heat. Consolidation in regional markets is also happening and expansion plans have been put on hold in some cases.Overall, the economic slowdown will impact the growth plans of most of the companies. Priorities have shifted to consolidating the existing businesses; expansion can wait.
It is testing time for media companies. There will be no better time to demonstrate the strength of their respective market/channel shares as we expect ad spend to consolidate towards the top.
‘TV content companies have suffered for long due to their fractured business model. Lack of revenue visibility and pricing power have impacted them. There is also lack of long term relationship between content and broadcasting companies‘Will news channels have a free fall as they operate in a highly cluttered environment?
News channels in India have grown significantly over the last few years. But for most companies, it has not significantly added to their profitability due to high operating costs (including distribution). Lack of robust subscription revenues have also impacted the bottom lines of many of these companies. Noise value has gone up due to entry of players with other objectives. We have witnessed the entry of so many non-serious players in the market that I think most of them will fold up in the next two years.Only few news channels with strong brand equity and distribution network would be able to make reasonable profits. Companies with strong balance sheets will survive. Rest all will fade away.
What do you think of the television content companies?
TV content companies have suffered for long due to their fractured business model. Lack of revenue visibility and pricing power have impacted them. There is also lack of long term relationship between content and broadcasting (who own the IPR) companies. The benefit of new distribution platforms has not reached most of these companies.Unless there is substantial change in the current business model, I do not see real scalability coming to companies. TV content companies also suffer from fragmentation. Having said that, this year has been particularly good for content companies as some of the dominant incumbent players have witnessed loss of market. New players have emerged and done well. I expect few credible players to emerge in the future.
Do you find the cable industry attractive?
Institutional investors have shown interest in the sector in recent times. Investments have flown into the large incumbents and fledging entrepreneurial-led companies. Investors are betting on eventual consolidation and digitalization of last mile to unlock huge value in the sector. Investors seem to be willing to wait for the interim painful process to unlock long term value. We expect increased investments will go into infrastructure creation and customer acquisition.

